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Not everything the pickup guys believed or taught was crap. It's true that women do want to have sex, sometimes lots of it, I know i was, but I was constrained by the whole slut thing. That said, I still did a lot of guys when I was younger (I wonder what the number would have been if I'd done the rest?) I wasn't much interested in settling down so that had a lot to do with it. 'Direct Approach' and NLP clearly do have some benefits for some even if they don't apply to your experience.

The two most valuable lessons I got out of The Game was that these guys know female psychology better than we do, and that if you want to avoid a lot of abusers, manipulators, and sexual predators, reading this book will arm you better than anything else will. I highly recommend it for women.

Also, the methodology Strauss outlined for how to accomplish the seemingly impossible - a short, thin, bald, average-looking dude nailing hot chicks - was quite familiar to me - as I'd run across it many times in business books and books on how to be successful. It's the same outline startup entrepreneurs are encouraged to follow - with most of the writers being probably completely unaware that the PUAs use it. The business guys are the ones who invented it, anyway - the PUAs either copied it or figured it out for themselves. But it stresses constant learning and constant field work for practice, however scary that is. It could easily be applied to more productive goals--learning another skill, starting a startup, learning a new sport, writing a novel and getting published, changing to a new profession. Tom Cruise, who makes a brief appearance in the book when Strauss works with him on one of his movies, was the voice of maturity: "If only these guys would apply themselves like this to something useful and productive, it's incredible what they could accomplish!"

My sense entirely. I got two articles based on both out of this, and I recommend Strauss's book to women trying to avoid toxic men.

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>> I really wanted to have sex, but often had this stupid gatekeeper thing in my brain that would shut down and prevent me from getting sex. Teaching men to do a magical series of moves that would manage to circumvent my gatekeeper and help get me laid was a wonderful thing, and I advised my male friends to try it.

> Pickup artists can liberate these women - just not from the social norms (which already favor casual sex within their subculture), but from their risk-averse nature, resulting from hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

Toย me, that sounds like โ€œliberatingโ€ them not from their risk-averse nature, but from their pickiness, which I find uncomfortably close to outright raping them. Surely the gatekeeper is there for a reason. Ifย aย woman were to encourage me to circumvent her internal gatekeeper, tricking her into desiring sex with meโ€”yes, this is pure fantasyโ€”Iโ€™d think Iโ€™m already badly abusing her and have somehow broken her into going to horrifying lengths to please me, which I definitely do not deserve. Iโ€™dย also count myself as living on borrowed time; it couldnโ€™t take long for someone to righteously beat or stab me to death.

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