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Carlos's avatar

Back when I was living in in England, one of my housemates was a Polish guy, who told me before you date a Polish woman, you have to go drinking with her brothers, who will check you out for safety and generally make it clear that if you mistreat her, there will be trouble. He is a small town type, I am not sure urbanites still do this.

So at any rate, the obvious solution in more traditional societies was that some protection against rapist men was provided by other men, usually relatives. The price for this was reduced freedom, like they flat out not allow her to date guys who are too much trouble.

So modern feminism largely eliminated this, dads a angrily nudging a shotgun in the living room while a young couple is making out on a porch is just not done anymore, and then the results are obvious and predictable.

Ryre's avatar

I think this whole piece is based on a false premise, or actually two. 1) Almost no one today believes that a woman bears any responsibility for the sort of clear-cut date tale you describe. No one—or a vanishing small number of people—subscribe to the “she was asking for it/she led him on” idea. Your group B is basically made up. 2) I don’t think a woman who goes back with a man to his place alone for making out and possible sex has done something very risky. Basically every new relationship involves a woman doing that at some point. Sure, there’s risk, and that bad, but it isn’t something you’d scold someone for later, liking doing skateboard stunts without a helmet. It is neither a wrong choice morally nor a bad choice practically. It’s an ordinary part of dating.

I think the situations where people have B type reactions are much more grey. E.g., they were making out, both into it, but she didn’t want it to go further and froze up when he started taking it further. She didn’t want to have sex, but she froze up instead of saying something. Or, she’d been drinking—they’d both been drinking—and she was into the sex at the time—or at least let it happen without objection—but later feels she was too drunk to consent.

People thinking that a woman bears responsibility for a rape like you described—those people are largely a feminist boogeyman in this day and age, in my opinion. (Similar to how I have never actually heard anyone defend male misbehavior by saying “boys will be boys.” I have only ever heard feminists claim that people say that.)

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