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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

Nice write up. Your point at the beginning about ancestral man almost never coming across a single sexually available woman who was not already claimed by a man who would violently harm one, and desiring to see "don't worry the coast is clear" signals is a good one. Reminds me of all the times in high school that my boyfriend snuck in through my bedroom window when my parents were asleep, and snuck out again before morning, good times. 😊

Anyway it did also make me think that it's likely the reason that men seem to have historically and cross-culturally always had an intense fantasy about somehow finding themselves stumbling into some situation where men are simply not allowed period...an all girls school or ladies' changing room or slumber party or the cocnubines' quarters or whatever. More about the no man being around to kill them part than that any of the women in those situations would be sexually available, which they almost certainly would not be (and having been in many women's locker rooms, trust me they are not remotely sexy). Perhaps this is part of the reason AGP males/trans women demand so hard to get into those places too?

What I find very weird is how so many US women are now fully bought into and seem to actually believe that what a girl wears is totally irrelevant and that there is no such thing as sexy vs not or being sexually provocative. Why the hell do they think we have a word for "provocative" in the first place?? And do they really believe that a man will not perceive a teenage girl wearing shorts with her butt half hanging to be sexually provocative? I just don't understand how anyone could exist on earth and think that. I pretty much wore the shortest possible mini skirt that I could without showing my underwear every day when I was a teenager, and it was 100% because I knew I looked good and that it turned every man's head and that was the whole point. I don't understand this crazy thing these days where moms will scream at anyone who notices an outfit is provocative because WHY ARE YOU SUCH A PERVERT HOW DARE YOU SEXUALIZE A YOUNG GIRL YOU'RE THE ONE THINKING DISGUSTING THOUGHTS ABOUT MY DAUGHTER SHES JUST COMFORTABLE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE GUTTER. Like do they actually believe that? It's hard to believe they do and yet this is the norm now and the moms will come at you hard and fast over it. IDK maybe it's just the daughters playing their parents but pretending to be naive. I probably would've pretended to be innocently ignorant regarding the effect of my miniskirts when I was 16, but my parents were too embarrassed to say anything to me about it.

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Tove K's avatar

Very interesting! And accurate too. In my opinion, “high-restraint cultures” and “cultures who truly understand the nuances of sexiness and sexual availability” are not mutually exclusive terms. I think the two concepts go well together.

I guess I'm supposed to defend myself a little. I actually don't assume that men are wild emotional beasts - if nothing else, I live together with a man and he is a wonder of self control. I tend to consult him when making assumptions about the psychology of men. This time was no exception. The result:

A few men actually need to restrain themselves to avoid raping women. But most men don't. Their self-restraint is much milder. More or less, it is an act of resistance against women's tricks to catch male attention for their own purposes. I think that most men need to restrain themselves a little bit in order to avoid getting hooked on that pleasant feeling of perceiving sexual availability that you describe.

So more or less, I don't think that men actively restrain themselves from being sexual predators. I think they restrain themselves from being distracted and thereby less productive or faithful than they prefer to be.

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